Chasing Validation vs. Chasing Goals: That Gold Star Isn’t Your North Star

Nobody handed it to you. You just decided you needed it, and then spent the next two decades running after it. Is it worth it, though?

In Episode 2 of Off The Agenda with TLC, Tonichi, Larah, and Claire trace it all the way back: to gold stars on homework, to recitation ribbons, to being the reliable one, the academic one, the entertainer in the family. Before any of them had a title or a corner office, the chase had already begun.

This is the origin story. The one that explains how three high-achieving women got wired for ambition before anyone sat them down and told them to be ambitious. And the more interesting question they sit with: was it ever really about achievement, or was it always about approval?

From Larah's quiet internal competition with her sister, to Claire's early years running her lola's business at 12, to Tonichi's childhood prayer to just finally be happy. This episode is honest, funny, and will make you question your decisions.

By the end, they land on three questions worth asking before chasing any gold star: Did it make you better? Did it make you richer? Did it make you healthier?

Sunshines, this one's for you. 🌟

Off The Record, On Your Heart:

• Nobody Told You To Chase It. You built the competition yourself, set the standard yourself, and moved the finish line yourself. Which means you also get to decide when enough is actually enough.
• The Gold Star Was Never Really About the Gold Star. At the bottom of most achievements is an approval you were looking for. Naming that is not weakness. It is just finally being honest.
• Chasing Everything When You Are Young Is Not a Mistake. It is how you figure out what actually matters. The regret is not in the chase. It is in never stopping to ask who it was for.
• You Were Not Competing With Them. You Were Competing With a Version of Yourself You Had Not Met Yet. And most of the time, the person you were measuring yourself against had absolutely no idea.
• Not All Gold Stars Were Worth the Lost Sleep. Some of them built you. Some of them just kept you busy. You are allowed to tell the difference now.
• The Best Achievements Are the Ones Nobody Asked For. No audience. No comparison. Just you, deciding to be good at something because it matters to you. Chase more of those.

Your Younger Self Would Be Proud. Not because you got everything right. But because you got back up every single time you did not.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

They put me in such high pedestal that it made me feel like I wasn't sure what I was chasing. Sometimes we impose those standards on ourselves. And then in the process, we become superwomen. And sometimes people think na, oh, you know, nan janakyoe madalimaksalita. But to get here, na man.

SPEAKER_02 0:18

Nah, mina gun star ko smagaling nahon than yesterday. Progress, progress.

SPEAKER_01 0:30

Welcome to Off the Agenda. I'm Tonichi. I'm Lara. Claire. Yes, very good. Finally. So it's a good thing. So take. Alright, so welcome to our second episode. Second. Wow, second. Welcome to the guys. Milestone. If you listened to our first episode, then you would have heard us talk about, you know, are we okay? The first episode. Choosing ourselves. Choosing ourselves. Checking in on how are we doing at this stage in our lives, right? But we thought we couldn't keep talking about that stage of our lives without talking about how we got there in the first place. So this is the origin story, yes. The origin story of how we got here. And we're calling this one The Gold Star. We We kept chasing. We kept chasing.

SPEAKER_02 1:37

But we just assumed it's coming. Yes. Yes. But you can't. So pagan magalinka. Tonichi read this. Ano bini big sa yo.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

St. Paul College of Passage. Yes. Ano lang shot. Tap one, two, three, four, five. So mga stamp, stamp, naga yang. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:22

Again, tagasan Pedro laguna ho, no? So yung gold star salmon little al yung palala.

unknown 2:28

Ah.

SPEAKER_02 2:33

Ah, alam kuyun. Yung kupet yung teacher ko. Pusalaga.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

Miyang nakapingi to na gold star.

SPEAKER_02 2:39

Ganon.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

So that is. And when when are you given a gold star? Kapag.

SPEAKER_02 2:45

Kapag. Nakatama ka sa recitation. Magand na kwa mung greed. Kanyan. Kwa naka basaka perfectly. Yes. Mai gold star ka. Same. Uh uh. Yina mga. Peno sabahai. Mai gold star did. Yes. Uh-uh. Or sa mg. Brush penang teeth. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

Kay yung tatlo. Ng brush naba hai nag teeth. Yes. Pamoi. Aye. Ka it hindi ku pa gino. Ha very good. Uba.

SPEAKER_01 3:23

Yuna yibba bi. Okay, se ge. Gold star ka jar. Okay, so those are the gold stars. So or other rewards.

SPEAKER_02 3:34

Halimbawa. Pang natu lung kasatanghali. Mm marienda ka. Right? Uh.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

Okay, what's your merienda when you were bata?

SPEAKER_02 3:43

Turun. Turun? Turun. Shampre.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

Me yung ano. Matinga. Yung.

unknown 3:50

Puto.

SPEAKER_01 3:52

Puto. What? Spanishment. Taho. Ta ho, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

So magalang yung yield. Miko, miko, gumagwa se y lola. Okay, ta'manipaga.

SPEAKER_02 4:05

So malik ta is a gold star. So let's talk about the real gold stars. Okay. Rewards. Na. I think when we were younger, we kept on chasing. Yes. Right.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

And in some way, na program tayo dahil jan, right? Because we kept chasing these. These were the things that made us feel that like we were getting somewhere because of because we would chase them in a case.

SPEAKER_02 4:29

And because of the gold stars, we were unintentionally wired to become very competitive. Correct.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

So kay lang competitive ka. So that's the first uh thing we'll talk about with our sunshines. Yes, kas to my data sangring and sunshines. Okay, sunshines. Okay, let's tell our sunshines. Um, what was your gold star? Any gold star nyo, nungabata an nyo. For example, akuna. So my sister, yes, my sister and I, ate ko power. Yung ate ko po she was always known as the the studious one, matalino sha, lagi shang kum lao de ganya. So growing up, and we were in the same grade. Yeah. I skipped two grades, na ging maka grade kame, pero lagi parin shang, because she was always so much more studious. But also, she was always that person. So my parents always would be like, oh, this is Isabel or Alpy. She is announcing a merit award. I was always just I was the arts girl. Oh, y n dena okay. So I did always feel a little bit, although my parents, I want to make it clear, they never, ever, ever compared us. And neither did my sister. But I guess I just did that to myself. And I don't know why I did that. But I just kind of always saw that as, okay, so she's that. So my gold star, and I probably didn't realize it, was giving my parents some reason to be proud of me, even if it wasn't in the academic space. You know, like yeah, I'm not gonna danmagandalang okay, but really other things like debate theme, you know. So that was my because I I wasn't I didn't like to study. Would you say that that became that was the start of you chasing the gold stars? I think so. Unintentionally, that was yeah. And when I grew older, it felt like oh, I was uh racking up these achievements. It yeah, yeah, it felt great. And it was never about my sister, it was always about me. Sinat sasariliko. Okay, what about you, madame? Yes.

SPEAKER_00 7:01

What was your game? I grew up with my grandparents, and uh with my cousins also. And I always felt like the favorite one. All the time. I felt na pa rang they put me up in such a high pedestal. I wasn't even being compared to anybody else, pero they made me feel like yan da pa tangga ya. So wala pangan na achieve. So kailang, pyunde ba. Soon sha. Na every time I don't quite feel like it's an achievement, ka hit wala. I go home feeling like I disappointed them. Yes. So talagangi, very good yung, mm. Wunang nag nag linist ng kwarto, very good ganyang. Pero I had always been the entertainer in the family. Toni chips, mei ano, visitor, suma yao ka. Anung bang rap mo, manalo sa little Miss Philippines in it bulaga. But li ako ipina sok ng mamiko. Bakata manamula na lokali. Hindi palako pangan. Pero pero pero yes. So there there was a certain level of that they put me in such high pedestal that it made me feel like I wasn't sure what I was chasing. I guess that was even more difficult, right? Kasi, anapaya yung chin chase. They had a standard, but I I really didn't understand what the standard was.

SPEAKER_01 8:58

So just I'm laughing because I feel like we did it to ourselves. But maybe that's just how people think some people are wired, right?

SPEAKER_02 9:14

Oh, we saw Akademic. Okay. Yes. So sakin both little a chaka figurative yung gold star. So, yes, I was highly academic. And it comes from a separate place also. Kasi yung mommy ko while she was studying. Oh, habang numa na yao. Pa ulitung yesabi saha. Wanang ta un na wala hung ownor. Gurma dwanedictorian, etc. etc. So kame me and my brother. Shampre brother ko, you know, he does a lot of commercials. Shampre, you know, si n brother, mg less.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

So Christopher Rohas po. Uh uh.

SPEAKER_02 9:59

So I grew up, I grew up na gikaming, you know, my brother and I are really, really close, no. So he never made me feel na parang I'm i inferior, etc. Pero he already had his own swimling.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:13

Because in nine years old, yung brother konong na discover suffer show business. So, lang na pinita n lang naman shaking nana ko yung mahade lang gusto. Pero yung brother kota laga super shy. But in anyways, I think that kinda I guess wired me to find my own swim link. Right. Bibo, celebrity, daba. So akho sa nako, kaya ako academics. Kaya, I really did my best to be very good in school. I go home with very good grades. I am very competitive, extracurricular. And I felt like growing up, I also, my my Lola raised me because my mom was an OFW. So no nako ng palaka sakin. Nung baka ako mingi. So every Saturday, na kakata yi kami ngbaboy.

SPEAKER_01 11:12

Uh uh uh.

SPEAKER_02 11:13

So a lot of people don't know this about me. Pero pa gsa bado, ma anga pa go mi gising naho, I take my bike. I ku village na me. Pa mgana mga order.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 11:24

A ngang order nyo, mga kakata y puy lola ho ga nya. Alung order, kosa mala. Yang po, yang po, kasi, ka. Kasim, ribs, pata, front or back, kan yung ba. So, share press is bina mga lola ho, okay. Kilang ma ugusta na kasa dala wang dala wang babu yung kakata yin ganyan. That was early on in my life. The second part, uh actually, prior to that, me junk shap kami. So, marung magbote, galapa, magglinis, mag anyang kilo, ng mga jaryo, aluminum, etc. So I really grew up in that lane where I felt my gold star was to be useful. Aside from just being matalino, I had to be the one that's reliable. At the age of 12, I was running that business for my Lola on her side. Kaya Siguro, dunko ni nakungha yung pa gi ging nama yung frugal, yung financial management, yung galing saluto, kan yang kasi pa kayung kapit bain naamin si nabi sa gang. I gusta kosaana yung poye kasi mag mim minu nudo. Pwin mgukasim? At the age of twelve. No, kayakal na mga tao tung ki saina tho mistin sawa ng ta hunganya. Pero na ya nay sa mga kapit bainamin na ming alam tungba tangko. So feeling ko the moment na mwya wei gold star yun. So bin kapit bai naaming mga lingda wakoi. Tas na langto ntuasha. So yingung gold starko both both school and you know, my personal life.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

But you know, and I don't know if it's the same for you. When in the working world, it wasn't like I intentionally went after, so I was an agent. And then na kaita k my opening trainer, so na easipko, okay, this is interesting for me. So, bag, bake sake no pa seas. So, as a trainer, like apply okay nakwako. And then I it wasn't like, okay, lakan training soup next, there was no conscious laddering, you know, like going yeah, yeah, same for me.

SPEAKER_02 13:33

Walako roadmap. Unlike many ambitious people, which I totally, totally admire. Yes, agree. Where do you see yourself in the next five years? Oh, it's uh, because I'm not gonna do that. I don't I hindi langon no na pa nang mear na hung in two years, na pat geno na level ko in karun kaun. But I always knew that I had to be better. Better, yes. So today italang square, bu kas na pat matas. The next day, maspadoon, etc. In my batch, when we started out as agents, in my batch, promote. A hunger, well, shout outs, ng disi nabi sakin. Na my promotion palashe fresh out of college. Ki si nyo na kalindola San Pedro Laguna, na yimalang na regular. Neba baha tailsa East Eastwood.

SPEAKER_00 14:36

Imagine masa isang building tayo.

SPEAKER_01 14:40

I think it's an opportune time for me to tell people. Nah. Kilala kupusi Claire, no 20 years ago, agent. I agent. I was her trainer. Yeah, train sakanya tapos. After I left E Tel, I moved to Teletech. At dunku malakilala si madame to me. I've known them both. And I and they also know me both from 20 plus years ago.

SPEAKER_02 15:01

But roadmap. Walak roadmap. Pero I knew that, you know, I had to keep working to be better.

SPEAKER_00 15:08

Yes. It to si my roadmap. I was as a child, I was easily influenced. So like my best friend yung sina sabiko. Pagnag da means kase sabeka me mag aral. Shaka se, lik hang matalino. So maga aral sha one hour. Tapas akoang or saal la ko nag aral, pagnag test, mas mata asparin yung score, nya. Ya. So, sha yung anoko. Point of comparison. Even in college, I had a best friend na pag sasabinang toni ch kailang detail mgaa absent. Dyung maga absent dialsin na bi nya. So gano naho. So nung nasa pagpa sa konang city bank. Ang una aro ko, meron ina y na awardan. Yungga top collec collection sa ko. Top collector. First number, second, third ganyan sa biko ay shahs gusto ko. Tapas meeron. Oh oh, me ganon. Say shahks. Kalaan, maging kan dinako tapas. Okay, for today we have a promotion from agent to team leader. Very first ganyan. First woman. Yanang gusto ko tapa sa. Youngest dao sha a sa biko aha ang susuno na youngest. Meganun na ho. So after one year, yeah. Promoted. After two years, another promotion. So dun kun experience na khailang palatalagame after T L AM after AMM.

SPEAKER_01 16:31

It's interesting, kasi we and I keep going back to nobody told us, nobody really. I mean, it's and you don't think about it as you're going through your life, right? Like no, you don't think about makat bao na ging geni to ka competitive, bagat baku na ging ano. And it's many people are likely in this same position of why am I chasing these gold stars? Nobody's told me to do it. Am I you know still getting what I want from achieving these gold stars? So nan dun ta yung a yun.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

Or yung Panakwa muna yung star o yang. Naha pika.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

Or big lang saka. Uh-uh. Aho kasa, so very very good, very good. Promote, promote. Pagata sa na punta ko sa ng BP o napunta ko sa isang account na dia ku gusto ng client, pina li pa tao. So yun gusto kota lagang maga mata. First time mung experience na lipa t nya yo ko sha di account na to. So I felt like, oh my god, failure. Yeah. Yeah. After two months, na ka move on lahat. Dunko lang na realize it. And at an early stage, na others life after that pala. Okay, next. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:50

Same thing, nobody asks you to be that. Yeah. Or to achieve those gold stars. Pero yung thought, na hindi mo sha ba ibaba. Yeah. Hindi mo you can't walk away from it. Yeah. So while nobody asks you to do it, you just kept on chasing it and chasing it. Because I was reflecting on, you know, what really what it really meant for me. Akala konon. Nah, Sadaminang Gold Star ko was magaling naho dan yesterday. Progress, progress.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 18:26

It was approval that I was seeking. I don't know. Maybe people around me. Right. Maybe maybe my family, maybe society. I don't know. No. Nobody asks you to do it na man. But I'm not sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:46

I had that thought of why am I compete? Like my sister doesn't care. Like she's like, pero of course, love you, ate. But um, but no, but my point is, why were we like that? Are we ball? No, I'm kidding. But why the people sometimes we impose those standards on ourselves.

SPEAKER_02 19:13

And then in the process, we become superwomen, and then in the process, are you now regretting the fact that you chased those gold stars? Not knowing what you know now and uh you know where you are in this whole journey.

SPEAKER_00 19:31

I think when I also failed, I failed early. Fail fast, failed. So I I failed early. So big na na ging ano sha. I had it in my it had I had the muscles for it. So I had a muscle memory for it. So na realize ko na okay, you fail now and then you try again. And then very good ka o let's stark. I also realized having to tell that to my team na hindi poyadik palaga super stark. Kailang Ma intin dihan mona. Meeron moment. Na hindi. Na falling stark.

SPEAKER_01 20:09

Falling starka, or twinkle, twinkle, starka. Uh uh. Hindi pak twinkle ka it's a little bit more. In our viewpoint. Okay, wait. So, na yun ba, are we still going after those gold stars? Let's tell our sun shines. Oh, star pa da pa starlights. Yeah. I know. Are we still chasing gold stars? And if so, are they just different gold stars? Or what is the what is the I've maybe it's not so for me I feel like maybe not so much for myself anymore. Whatever I'm chasing is not so uh much for the as you can see as we're good. This is the conversation.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

This is real. I will keep on chasing you. Really? But I will just be very selective about the stars that I go after. It all meant something to me. Even if it's from a total stranger, oh y na impress koha. Or, you know, a malayung kama gana that my Lola will brag about. So, you know, you keep on chasing these gold stars. But now where I am and this age, it wasn't even worth it. I lost sleep over those things. So I will keep on I will keep on chasing them, but I will be selective about the gold stars that I choose.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Ibak star kas yung gusta. Oh jeez. So for example, right. What is the star? Wow. First time.

SPEAKER_02 22:16

So, you can't do it. Madame, bakery. That's not true. Chocolate chip.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

I think you're right, you know, we will continue to chase stars because just we're it's inherent in us to be good at something. To try to be good at something, regardless if it whoever it is for. Right. And usually at this stage, it's for us. Yeah. Like for me, walang sabi sa nakailang magaling bake. Gustoho, na control ko yo ingredients, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

So regret na gold star na chinese ma.

SPEAKER_01 23:04

Wala hungsi. I don't think I have any regrets. I honestly think that everything that I chased, whether it was intentional or not, has contributed to who I am now. That experience, I took something from it. So I've I don't think I'm I don't think I've regretted I regret anything.

SPEAKER_02 23:30

That's good. You? I lost sleep over it. I beat myself over and over again. So that, you know, I can achieve those gold stars. And now thinking looking back, nina mancha ikina ganda, dikina yama, healthy. So I don't impress lang. Two people na didn't even matter. So if you niko those things, and and that's why I say I'll be more selective about the gold stars that I chase from now on. But I don't think I'll stop.

SPEAKER_00 24:10

So I think yung yung three important questions. So da pat sa good and bagu mag chase ng stars. So, bago, kayung mag chase na my starts. Please ask yourself those three questions, sunshine. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 24:31

Okay. Hello ba. No, I was gonna ask you if your younger self, yes, taka sa younger self ko? If you saw your younger self. Your younger self ko put a platinum blonde at one point in her life. If your younger self could see you today, what would she say?

unknown 24:58

What?

SPEAKER_01 24:59

No, what what do you think she would give you a gold star? Like would she applaud you? Do you think she would give you a gold star for oi, you know, you've done all of these or how how do you think she'll be able to do that? I think she would.

SPEAKER_02 25:11

I think she won. Well, not for all of it, no, pero I I have been through my share of. Yes. In spite of and despite of. Yes. Achieving and taking those gold stars for myself in spite of this. Despite of this. Or I lost this along the way. True, there were some very tough uh trade-offs and sacrifices that I needed to do, but I s I still got them. I still achieved them. And for those choices that I made, which I made consciously to kinda go after them, 80% of the stars that I chased were well worth it. And he would she would probably say, Okay, see ya, I'll do the same thing. Good job. Well, not for one hour. Uh-oh, you miss tang by the lam.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

Okay, so I wishal bibenta.

SPEAKER_02 26:11

Hindi. Hindi alam yung pata. Ah, isang isang babu ng yung kaka tain. Actually, fine. Sabinal ko sang na rita na babu yinalim pata. The irony of it all.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

Aho would my younger self applaud it. Yes. But I wanna make it clear to people, we make it sound like, you know, the the road was not easy. It was such a difficult road.

SPEAKER_02 26:48

So n pausapan road.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

Yeah, so because it was nothing was given to us, to any of us. And now, sometimes people think na, oh, you know, na jana kayo e madalimag chalita. But to get here, na man, the mung sata impossi.

SPEAKER_02 27:07

I just want to make it clear na hindi kame we didn't get here because things were handed to us. Yeah. And at some episode we'll talk about those things. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

Yes, yes. Nothing was easy. So I think my younger self would be very proud of me. So baby gang yang gold star for sure. Glitter. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

I think your younger self. My younger self would be very proud. Your younger self. No, I think. Oh na mar. My my younger self would be really proud of me, cause especially given that I've made so many mistakes in my life. Mistakes that would have been very difficult for me to get up again and you know run. Yeah. Um, and I remember when I was a child, I I did it wasn't it wasn't a bad childhood, but it wasn't a very happy childhood. I my parents were not there all the time. I I grew up with my grandparents who loved me. But I obviously looked for my parents, right? And I remember always praying at night, saying na God sana ano yung. Pag tu mandako. Sana bilisa natin. Sana na dumma ting naho sa part na yun. Num mating na. Oh, ka ya iun. Numa ting ka agat, tumanda naga no. Sami go pa sa please, pa di bang bilisa natin yung part na magiging happy naho. Ka yang ayun when I pray, I I remember that scene every day ka say it's the same window I go to and pray. And dinana o ng god dun sa happy place ko finally. Kasi there the road wasn't easy. So many mistakes if when I go look back, even I can't believe that I got here. Yeah. You know? And so I think magiging super proud ta lagasak.

SPEAKER_02 29:34

But to any, if it's any consolation, kasa mata hansa buha. Totama. Toto o na man yang.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

Applaus kada. Majunag alulang. Majun na partn. Kaya hai motoko until sum axes.

SPEAKER_03 30:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

Right. Right. Okay, so let's cap it off by cap it off. Cap it off. Yes. By telling our sunshines, our listeners. What's our what's our maybe our piece of advice to them on chasing the gold star? What piece of advice would we tell them about that chase, I guess, is the right question to ask. Cause it, you know, like me, if I think about all the things that I chased, like I said, I did not regret. Yeah. And I do not regret any of those, whether or not intentionally ko chinese. But I think throughout that chase, it would have been great if I, you know, probably slowed down a bit. I mean, I I think it's more the how I chased it rather than what I chased. Like the what kase bata ka indimo alam de bana. Komun yun ng panaho natin.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

Pero fe the generation today is so. They know what they want. You guys are like soak. Oh yeah. Like our kids. Okay.

unknown 31:26

Uh uh.

SPEAKER_02 31:28

I can see it in my children. They're very I agree. Yeah. They're very deciding. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

So maybe that's the advice is just how you change. You know what you want to go after, but maybe think of yourself more as you go on that chase. Or maybe don't. Um, and this is why I think our conversations are interesting, because we're not like we're going through all of this ourselves. Like we're not sure about we're being reflective, we're not experts clearly, but uh we're trying to give people advice based on real life. Um and so I I feel like you know you're right. You make a great point. The generation is different. Um my advice is this uh just chase everything. Right?

SPEAKER_02 32:12

Because chase everything. By statistics, by statistics, mas madami jan yun tama. I'm sure, right? I mean, you you won't be uh you won't be as uh as intelligent right now as you will be 10, 20, 30 years later. So you can't do the discernment. So any opportunity, anything that you know is in front of you and you think it's a worthy goal, just go for it. Chase that star. And you know, by rule of elimination later on, mm ni alaio, ah, okay ng palayon. Ah, yon me meant a lot to me. Yon ni ma shadow, pero si gurna 80-90% dun sa mga hinaabul moi. Naba, it'll mean something and it will come out to something. And to your point, I think the chase, you learn a lot from that. From that, yes. Whether the the end goal is what you expected or thought it to be, or not, the journey of getting there and chasing that star will build character. And learning. And learning. Kaita, may men show ditour, kaga yang anang mga. Mga, nga, na ting naha.

SPEAKER_00 33:31

Ma tao para. Ana, batunichi, you're still there. Yeah, hovering parent. I think my my advice would be as soon as you can. Don't hover. Don't hover. No. As soon as you can, do it for you. Because because when you're younger, you try to do it for other people. For other people. But you will snap one day you will snap out of it. Just like we did, right? Yeah. That's why as soon as because you won't get there until you go through the process. But as soon as you can, do it for you.

SPEAKER_01 34:05

Yeah. That's a great piece of advice to end on. Yeah. Actually. So, yes. On that note, yes. Okay, but thank you so much for spending time with us again today, sunshines and hint lines. Please don't forget to follow, like, subscribe. And we will see you again soon. This has been another episode of Off the Agenda.

SPEAKER_00 34:39

This is Tonichi. I'm Lara.

SPEAKER_01 34:41

Claire.